i know i'm in for the flame but the idea seems badass to me =)
"Drood"? Denied.
If I'm understanding your suggestion right, you're saying that Thorns would be turned into a central tanking ability and bears who didn't use it would only have the same threat as cats and other regular DPSers?
I can think of one reason Blizzard wouldn't go for that - if a DPS bear and a DPS cat do roughly the same damage (and Blizzard likes keeping all DPSers around the same level), then what is a cat but a much squishier version of a bear? Cat form would become irrelevant if we always had the option for more HP and more armor with the same damage output.
How could bear dps work in pve since its automatic threat?See, here's where I stopped... Bear DPS isn't meant to be. Feral DPS is meant to be in cute, cuddly, facemauling Kitty Form. Bear Form is the Tank form, and will always be the Tank form.
if that was true, mages wouldnt be pulling like 24k dps on a raid boss while second place is at like 10-15k....... so equal dps is bull. but its the FEEL of the dps: Bear dps = slower, but heaver hits. cat = quicker hits..........and who cares THAT much for dps hp in pve anyway? cata is beefing everyones hp anyway so i dont think that would be a deciding factor in ppls choice.......plus bears couldnt stealth, charge would be the opener.....just diff play styles...similar dps
ugh
if that was true, mages wouldnt be pulling like 24k dps on a raid boss while second place is at like 10-15k....... so equal dps is bull. but its the FEEL of the dps: Bear dps = slower, but heaver hits. cat = quicker hits..........and who cares THAT much for dps hp in pve anyway? cata is beefing everyones hp anyway so i dont think that would be a deciding factor in ppls choice.......plus bears couldnt stealth, charge would be the opener.....just diff play styles...similar dps
God no.
elaborate or dont troll my post plz and ty
if that was true, mages wouldnt be pulling like 24k dps on a raid boss while second place is at like 10-15k
lawl, stop smoking whatever it is the troll shaman are giving you.
CAT IZ 4 FITE
BARE IZ 4 TNAK
if that was true, mages wouldnt be pulling like 24k dps on a raid boss while second place is at like 10-15k....... so equal dps is bull.
Where does this line have any bearing on equating Bear and Cat DPS?
Something tells me you just want a furry Arms Warrior... good thing Cata is just around the corner.
this would allow pve ferals to choose warrior OR rogue, not just rogue.
They already can.
Bear = Prot War
Cat = Rogue
You're idea is terrible.
It will never, ever, ever happen.
Stop wasting forum space with more dumb "THORNS TANKING, YAY! \o/" ideas.
Just stop.
if that was true, mages wouldnt be pulling like 24k dps on a raid boss while second place is at like 10-15k....... so equal dps is bull.
Where does this line have any bearing on equating Bear and Cat DPS?
Something tells me you just want a furry Arms Warrior... good thing Cata is just around the corner.
ant said blizz made all dps equal and that bear would be way off from cat in dps
this would allow pve ferals to choose warrior OR rogue, not just rogue.
They already can.
Bear = Prot War
Cat = Rogue
You're idea is terrible.
It will never, ever, ever happen.
Stop wasting forum space with more dumb "THORNS TANKING, YAY! \o/" ideas.
Just stop.
constructive critism or ur just trolling. plz leave. ty.
ant said blizz made all dps equal and that bear would be way off from cat in dps
No, he said if Bear DPS was the same as Cat DPS, nobody would ever use Cat DPS.
Bear DPS doesn't even exist. It's a tank, that's all it will ever be.
The current relative DPS levels are a fluke, since our classes were redesigned for equality at lvl 85 and then hastily patched up here and there to bring some of the biggest lvl 80 outliers (like us on the first day of 4.0.1) back to within 50% of average.
And speaking as a raider - I care for my DPS HP. Job #1 for any DPSer in a raid is "Don't Die." Actually killing the boss is #2.
constructive critism or ur just trolling. plz leave. ty.
I'm beginning to think you're the troll.
Bear will NEVER be a DPS role. Is there something about this you don't understand?
this would allow pve ferals to choose warrior OR rogue, not just rogue.
They already can.
Bear = Prot War
Cat = Rogue
You're idea is terrible.
It will never, ever, ever happen.
Stop wasting forum space with more dumb "THORNS TANKING, YAY! \o/" ideas.
Just stop.
constructive critism or ur just trolling. plz leave. ty.
Or he's saying what all of us are thinking. When someone comes in and says, "The only difference between Bear and Cat is HP and everyone is getting more HP in Cata so let Bears DPS like Cats," no one is going to take you seriously because the idea is moronic.
One form is a tank form. It has talents specifically created for that role. The form itself has shapeshifting rules created specifically for that role. What you're saying is "I like to smack things with my Bear paw at slow speeds until they die, so Blizzard should let me DPS as a Bear and be equal to a Cat while keeping my tanking abilities and defenses because it would be cool and totally not unbalanced in any way, shape, or form."
It is a bad idea.
ant said blizz made all dps equal and that bear would be way off from cat in dps
Ant was saying that blizz keeps all DPS classes balanced at max levels, and for the most part they are right. The MEAT of that post, however, was the following...
if a DPS bear and a DPS cat do roughly the same damage then what is a cat but a much squishier version of a bear? Cat form would become irrelevant if we always had the option for more HP and more armor with the same damage output.
If, given both Cat and Bear do the same damage output, why bother with the squishier cat, when you can have survivability and dps, as well as tanking ability in Bear.
Not to mention the nightmare of creating a talent tree to balance Cat DPS, Bear DPS, and Bear Tanking with any sense of order. Just look at the DK patches from 3.0 to 3.3.5. Something was massively changed each time, to try and keep all 3 trees as both tank and dps. They were unable to balance effectively, 1 tree for 2 roles, using the same mechanics.
As Bear DPS and Bear Tank would use the same mechanics, I forsee they would have the same problems, and we'd be back to Cat DPS and Bear Tanking in short order.
Ika, would you like to be my personal translator for when I forum-rage on fools?
I pay 2 waffles per post with a quarterly pancake bonus.
Not to mention the nightmare of creating a talent tree to balance Cat DPS, Bear DPS, and Bear Tanking with any sense of order. Just look at the DK patches from 3.0 to 3.3.5. Something was massively changed each time, to try and keep all 3 trees as both tank and dps. They were unable to balance effectively, 1 tree for 2 roles, using the same mechanics.
As Bear DPS and Bear Tank would use the same mechanics, I forsee they would have the same problems, and we'd be back to Cat DPS and Bear Tanking in short order.
Oh, and all of that too.
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